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Bloggy bloggers!

By Roshan Doug on Nov 13, 08 08:05 PM in

This is by no means the gospel - it's just my own perspective on this still relatively new concept of blogging. So - and excuse my mixing of metaphors - don't get on your high-horse and start tapping on the keyboard like a maniac the second you finish reading this...

Just calm down.

I want to say that blogging is a strange phenomena not only for the writers concerned as their pieces - the so called 'posts' - have to be interactive but they must also contain (or at least I think they should) an element of spontaneity. In other words, the posts need to contain a feel that they're off the cuff comments or a trail of creative musings.

Or, as in my case, simple spouting-offs about anything or anyone - which is what, I suspect, some readers think I do.

It can be provocative - or otherwise - but generally it's what Martin Amis referred to as 'experimental thought process' - trying out ideas on the readers just to see if they hold water.

I think the posts need to look as if the blogger has left something out, or has painted a one-sided point of view. They need to appear incomplete as if they need to be corrected, amended and/or developed. In actual fact, it's throwing the bait in at the deep end and seeing what it brings out.

But recently - and especially in regard to the comments I receive - I'm often left wondering about the people who respond. For instance, there is a handful of readers who will almost invariably write a comment which may or may not have anything to do with the substance of the post. As such it can sometimes feel that the posts are hijacked by very forthright and opinionated readers who will attack - without any due courtesy - not only the writers concerned but their fellow readers as well. These comments can then gain a momentum of their own during which the perspective shifts from the original posts to something bizarre and, occasionally, distasteful in terms of the tone and the crudity with which readers address one another. Indeed the banter then - as one of the readers defined it - becomes a soap-opera where we learn more about the readers than the subject of the original posts.

But it's what could also be referred to as 'blogging terrorism', scaring off other readers who might feel too afraid to take part in a friendly, informative discussion or to make an intelligent contribution on a platform that is supposed to be user-friendly and welcoming.

Instead the platform may sound as violent or as intimidating as a school playground might appear to a new pupil on his first day - bullying is not restricted to school environment and the work place.

Now it could be that people - especially Birmingham Post readers - are genuinely passionate about what the blogging team writes and thus want to contribute to the debate - which, of course, is the essence of these posts. But in regard to the manner in which they express themselves, I can't help thinking that it also has something to do with ego and a perverse desire to be heard/published especially when their criticism is levelled at other readers.

At other times - and rather inadvertently - you get a sense that readers are expressing their criticism at the blogger's position as a professional writer working for a newspaper. How dare an idiot, a novice who has such a biased arrogant, viewpoint should be hired (or otherwise) by a relatively well known provincial newspaper! But their harsh verbosity, vitriolic condemnation or just plain cynicism can also appear a tad silly. Their in-put rarely, for instance, takes into account the monumental fact that a newspaper would never take on a voice without believing that that voice can deliver. All writers would have had to prove themselves over a period of time before the editors give them a position in which their writing will reflect - to some degree - the overall style, tone and perspective of their publication.

That's why I am amazed when fellow colleagues take out their knives against a blogger. Sometimes, they even formulate a rebellion to 'out' someone whose writing they might all be reading but who's had the balls or the audacity to push the boundaries of what kind of subject matter is acceptable for a newspaper blog! Surely we should write about and discuss everything, shouldn't we?

And such is the hostility against writers that a friend of mine drew to my attention that someone has put up a website encouraging readers to sign in to say they'd like less of me on the internet. I mean, what! Why should anyone care about little ol' me? And yet care they do.

But what I find particularly interesting is the times at which the readers comments are published and the sharpness of their response. They leave me wondering who these readers are and what kind of lifestyle they lead. Do they know they are engaged with the publication and that the bloggers have done their job? And because of the regularity of their visits to blogs - to read further posts by the very same blogger they love to dislike or criticize - do they know that they've been hooked into the on-line world of that publication. Haven't the bloggers done their job of enticing the readers to make a comment? I mean, isn't that what some people might call, successful blogging?

Now...

Watch your language, grab a cup of coffee, take a deep breath and only then start tapping on the keyboard!

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16 Comments

Ursula said:

Roshan, if you want silence don't go into the woods and shout.


In the interest of your own health please calm yourself and your ego first. Readers and commentators can wait.


On whatever grounds BP appointed you: Your entertainment value is (occasionally) priceless. I can barely type for laughing.


However, first things first and since you teach: 'Phenomena' is the plural of phenomenon - the word you were looking for. (Don't say I don't give value for no money).


As to blogging: A blogger can make his/her utterings and thought processes what they want. And, if lucky, there will be an ECHO. Take note, Roshan: The blogger will get back exactly what he has put in. (Maybe I should take myself off this minute).


Anyone writing a blog, and I can't stress this enough, has to take some responsibility with regards to the response he receives. Look at your BP colleagues' blogs alone: Why do perfectly reasonable ping pong exchanges go on on theirs, focussing on subject in hand, yet you lament your commentators going off on a tangent?


Roshan, you know perfectly well that I am well disposed to you as indeed we both know where some of your so called "comments", usually addressed at me, come from. Let's stop playing games, ok?


To stick with your metaphor, I most certainly, and successfully, can hold MY water; it's you who should stop leaking.


Don't send the firing squad yet. After all, I am your most loyal correspondent, addressing the subjects you raise - gratitude might be in order. Which reminds me, Clifford, Bootless and Bleary Eyed: Where the hell are you when one needs you?


U


PS Since you are interested in your readers' timekeeping and life style: I am writing this at 0050 hrs GMT. As good a time as any.

Sam said:

Roshan. I like your phrase 'blogging terrorists'... Quite a few on the BP blog, sad to say.

Ursula said:

Sam, before I go and look into my own heart why I bother to spend time (and thought) on R's blog: Strong stuff "blogging terrorists" - and you approve of that expression? No doubt, soon we'll have suicide bombers on BP's blog.


U

Clifford said:

"Their in-put rarely, for instance, takes into account the monumental fact that a newspaper would never take on a voice without believing that that voice can deliver"

Roshan, do you actually read any of the BP online? Take a look at the list of 'news authors' opposite? Most of then hardly post at all. The picture editor has not posted for five months.

Add to this the fact that your prose is clumsy and error-ridden, your insights mundane not to say incomprehensible (for example 'do they know they are engaged with the publication and that the bloggers have done their job?' and it is not in the least surprising that you encounter hostility. We expect better.

Roshan Doug said:

Thank you for that, Clifford/Ursula. Your comments do help to raise my profile... I wouldn't be employed without people like yourself regularly reading my posts.

Clifford said:

Roshan, 'employed'? I thought you worked for free and that the BP did not pay bloggers. Please explain.

Ursula said:

Roshan, are you feeling ok? On my and Clifford's behalf: Thank you so much for raising your profile.


Why didn't you thank the charming Sam considering she was the one complementing you on your piece?


Clifford, I can't talk out of turn, and maybe I was given wrong info anyway. However, it appears that anyone writing a column on BP (including poor Roshan) can give their pound's worth (or not) in form of blog (and be paid on top, piece-work as it were ). Like you most anxiously awaiting answer to your question. If Roshan won't rise to occasion, and since when would he, I am sure sweet patient Joanna will give us the low down.


U

Clifford said:

Ursula, don't suppose Roshan will reply. My memory is that Joanna told us that bloggers were not paid. Can't find her post to that effect - the search engine is very rudimentary.

dp said:

Suicide bombers? That ought to be suicide bloggers. And what/who are those? Well, it's probably fair to include bloggers of some reknown who manage to do themselves no favours, shooting themselves in the foot, hyberbolically, so to speak. That might include the suicidal Guy Fawkes, the unlucky but possibly also self-defeating Civil Serf.

Ursula said:

dp, you are my better: 'Suicide bloggers' so much more to the point, what a slip up of mine - I could kick myself. Who is Civil Serf?


U

Ursula said:

Clifford, my brother in trying to raise standards, as forecast by you: The silence is deafening. Thank heavens for small mercies.


U

Alex said:

You were one of my "teachers" at UCE some years ago and constantly had a go at us Erasmus students for no obvious reasons. I wonder what it was that made you so annoying...no soothing trips to Paris for you then? Hopefully you refrain from making nasty remarks to your students nowadays and get rid of all your negative energy online instead.

richard said:

Presumably Alex you used the appropriate routes at UCE to complain about your tutor and in which case your complaints would have been investigated and dealt with at the time. So why sling the mud now one must ask? And why use this very public arena to 'have a go'. Deal with it Alex.

Ursula said:

Richard, I don't know you, neither do I know Alex - so I can't be accused of bias. Though I have more than a little measure of Roshan.


To use your phrase: Alex IS dealing with it - and why not in "this very public arena"? After all, Roshan is teaching in a "very public arena".


You know, Roshan, you can't absolve yourself of your responsibilities as a tutor. We have all had complete a...hole teachers amongst the odd gem - not that I am saying you are one. Of course, and Alex take comfort in this, school is supposed to prepare us for adult life, so your experience with Roshan must have come in quite useful.


U

sarah jane ashley said:

You will know Ursula that I do not make a habit of commenting on bloggs but I follow with interest. I have had my suspicions for some time.
Ursula do you imagine that bloggers (in this case Roshan) write their own comments?

Ursula said:

Sarah Jane, a direct question deserves a direct answer: In Roshan's case I don't imagine it. I know it.


First, and most deadly, give away being not so much what Roshan says as HOW he says it, right down to the idiosyncracies of his spelling and use of punctuation.


Looking back over the weeks, indeed months, I could possibly pinpoint every single fake comment. What I find - in equal measure - amusing and irritating is that Roshan can't be bothered to disguise his signature writing style when "faking" it. What fun he wouldn't and I'd have if I were his editor.


Another give away, Roshan take note, is that those on your blog who attack fellow commentators rarely, if ever, have anything to say on the original subject you raised.


Sarah Jane, leaving aside the ethics of deception, there is nothing wrong with whipping up a little breeze in a blogging tea cup and provoking lukewarm discussion. However, Roshan, I'd prefer you to be a little more subtle when you do so.


U

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